So this weekend Persepolis finally got a long-awaited Irish (limited) release. Being the excitable type, I skipped along to an early evening showing on Friday, and expected good things after months of positive feedback from across the sea. The hype was justified. Persepolis is one of the most refreshing cinema experiences I have had in quite some time. It is one of those increasingly rare cases where it seems that something completely unique is unfolding in front of you. The art-style is wonderful, each frame a delight. Not since Belleville Rendez-Vous has an animation seemed so stylistically fresh and original.
However, what struck me most about the film is how fantastically intelligent it is. Usually, animation is not the place for social commentary: but Persepolis is a deliciously dark biopic, laden with black humour, fascinating Iranian history and challenging examinations of religious oppression and political dictatorships. And it is all tied together through an instantly accessible coming-of-age story. It is a completely engrossing narrative, and is one of the most thematically rich films I have seen recently.
That got me thinking about other recent animation milestones. Such thoughts instantly reminded me of Spirited Away, which in my opinion, remains the pinnacle of animation as art. I remember being stunned when I finished watching it for the first time, unable to fully comprehend the wealth of stunning imagery I had just witnessed. While not as socially aware as Persepolis, it is possibly even more attractive than the stark black-and-white imagery of the latest French release.
Other Studio Ghibli films – from the environmental concerns of Pom Poko to the touching humanity of Grave of the Fireflies to the very small-scale stories of Only Yesterday or Whisper of the Heart – also do something completely unique with the medium, providing experiences unlike any other. Such experimental pieces comfortably sit side-by-side with the more generic films from the studio, and hence it has the most innovative and eclectic catalogue of material out there. Other Japanese animators – Satoshi Kon springs instantly to mind – are equally imaginative: Kon in particular comfortably letting his imagination run riot (Paprika) or producing more subtle tales (Tokyo Godfathers or the remarkable Millenium Actress). While a lot of Japanese animé still remains generic, misogynistic, immature and giant-robot / tentacle-rape populated,
Which brings us to
The quantity is certainly there, but what about the content? I think few would doubt the quality of Pixar’s output. From Toy Story to Ratatouille, pretty much all of their output has been gold, with a couple of bronzes along the way (A Bugs Life?). Brad Bird’s pre-Incredibles hand-drawn animation The Iron Giant is an often overlooked gem. Shrek was a fine little comedy (although I gave up on the franchise after the second instalment), while Fox’s Monster House was joyful childhood fantasy that invites favourable comparisons to My Neighbour Totoro or The Goonies.
The quality of these productions is hard to deny. What they do, they do exceedingly well. But… I can’t shake the niggling feeling that there is something missing. In the rush to provide top rate commercial entertainment, it seems that the American animators have lost something massively important along the way: that thing is originality.
Again, I love Pixar, but even they have been guilty of lacking ambition. Since Toy Story, few of their films have strayed from the tested Pixar formula (the delightful Incredibles being the notable exception). Otherwise they have just had a habit of personifying this and that: we’ve had fish, monsters, cars, rats and insects. The films themselves are generally family friendly buddy comedies with a heart of gold. And this is perfectly acceptable in many ways – what they do, they do better than anyone else out there. But imagine what they could do if they broke from tradition and made something completely original and unique. They have the resources. They have the talent. But they don’t seem to have the balls. The Incredibles showed what they could achieve when they let one of their rank’s imagination run wild – spectacular action and even some light social commentary on the nuclear family. It was a step in the right direction. Next year’s Up also looks like it could be something different than the norm. But will it be as refreshingly original and intelligent as Spirited Away or Persepolis? And why have they yet to stray from a very rigid stylistic approach? Where is Pixar’s My Neighbours the Yamadas?
Outside of Pixar, the animators are showing considerably less flair. Disney seemed to have passed on the dreaded talking animal syndrome to every American studio currently producing animated feature films. While Pixar are very guilty of this particular crime, they at least do it competently. That much cannot be said of others. Indeed, with the exception of Monster House, I’m struggling to think of one recent animation that didn’t involve some god-damn animal blabbering away. Let us see: we’ve had fish (The Reef, Shark Tale), squirrels (Over the Hedge, Ice Age), elephants (the admittedly rather competent Horton Hears a Who!), ants (the imaginatively titled Antz, with an added and entirely superfluous Z) and fuck knows how many others. Heck, Over the Hedge and Horton alone feature a veritable Noah’s
There is of course always the argument that CGI pictures in particular cost the GDP of a small country to produce, and often the best part of half a decade is spent producing said films. Monetary and time concerns are definitely an issue, but Pixar must have swimming pools over-flowing with bills at this point. Would they not be willing to invest that in something more experimental and not as immediately commercially viable? Studio Ghibli has spent as much money making risky experiments as they have creating more audience friendly and talking animal laden fodder like The Cat Returns or Kiki’s Delivery Service. Is the American animation industry really so money hungry that they can’t give truly talented directors like John Lasseter or Brad Bird the money to make something offbeat and original? If they can make such fine commercial films, they must surely have lots of creativity to spare. And I’m not certain a more offbeat production would be commercial suicide: after all, Spirited Away was the biggest Japanese box office draw of all time.
I must stress once more that I am not dismissing these productions. I adore Pixar, and Ratatouille was one of the most enjoyable films of last year. But I am just a little frustrated they stick so rigidly to tradition and formula all the time, limiting the creativity of the makers. Persepolis reminded me of the sheer joy unique animation can provide. To me it is a shame that they are being left behind by other productions. Even more so than live action cinema, it is a medium that knows no boundaries except for the imagination of its creator. But all the resources are being pumped into Shrek 4, Ice Age 3 or Over the Hedge 2: that is a helluva lot of talking animals. Perhaps the audience would be more willing to embrace these more predictable franchises if they were released alongside more ambitious works? Maybe WALL-E or Up will finally provide us with a truly jaw-dropping American animation. But as of April 2008, we’re not there yet. As entertaining and likable as Finding Nemo or Monsters, Inc. are within their formulaic boundaries, is that really enough?
I remember as an eight year old kid sitting there in pure bliss as I watched the revolutionary Toy Story play out on screen. As great as a lot of the stuff that followed has been, American animation has yet to recapture that sheer wonderment in my mind, while Spirited Away and Persepolis have. These films have proven that cartoons are not just for kids anymore. Perhaps it is time that the American animation industry realised this, dropped the yammering animals for a while and grew up.



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Great post, as usual. I agree with you completely. I am sick of 'family friendly buddy comedies with a heart of gold'.
What irks me the most is the fact that Disney sees it fit to change the story for the sake of making their dribble family friendly (Tarzan, Hunchback of Notre Dame, etc).
I think Pixar became the flagship for Disney - and practically saved them - because Pixar tended to be more risky.
I also think Dreamworks upstaged Disney because their animation is slightly more mature. Animation is an art form, not a genre. It is high time Western animation develops past the point of being entertainment for the kids..
If I should suggest an animation movie to someone I didn't think to an american movie, at least not in the last years.
Pixar's latest, Wall-E, is said to be rather like a silent Chaplin film.
I'm sorry, most Dreamworks animation ranges from lame to copmpetent but lacking in flair.
The best thing i've seen from them was basically just a Hope/Crosby "Road" picture in animated form.
If it is an american animation feature that you are looking for, whose subject is not the usual talking animals stuff, give a look to Nina Paley's "Sita Sings the Blues" (cf. ninapaley.com and sitasingstheblues.com). It is actually an independent feature, made in Flash by the director alone and I guess it has not yet found an american distribution...
I agree wholeheartedly. While I loved Ratatouille, I couldn't help but think "is that the best you can do in a year we got to watch something like Persepolis?" I believe the issue boils down to the huge difference between American and European understanding of cinema: Hollywood is more of a crowd pleaser and Europe is closer to the idea of "art for art's sake". There are exceptions of course, because of the sheer size of Hollywood, but American cinema is definitely more entertainment-driven. This, I expect, will also continue to be the main point of my comparisons between Cannes Golden Palm vs Oscar Best Picture winners in my blog.
I think we, as the audience of 21st century, still could not get over the magical grandeur or Pixar's 3D animation. It still works like new, so they keep making it. They will keep making it until even the fans get tired of the same formulas, after which point it might be too late to adapt to the new movements (e.g. Disney). Or not. We can never know.
Opposing to this technical splendor, I think it's made clear by the likes of Triplets of Belleville, Persepolis and Spirited Away (my favorite animations of all time) that simplicity might also work. On the other side of the coin however, you have the immense failure of Peur(s) du Noir which does nothing more than imitating successful European animations and using old horror cliches; at the same time trying too hard to look original and impress the audience. I hope it doesn't mean European animation is being formulated as well.
Great post, will keep checking your blog.
Pixar is miles behind Studio Ghibli, but Pixar's films are, I feel, the risk takers of the industry. In the Incredibles, people died. In Ratatouille, the rats are anatomically correct, not cute and cuddly. Most of the movie is dialogue, in french-accented english. Not exactly kid's fare. But the main point of your article is correct. American Animation is as ballsy as Farinelli.
Well said...
Sometimes I felt that Disney is being jealous of what other production house can do. Just like Ghibli for example. Because that Ghibli has done some remarkable animation, so Disney try to put their along with Ghibli by getting the distribution right. Furthermore, once they reliase the 2D animation market is getting wider again after all the stunning anime has shown, they now going back to 2D again. Hey, who's idea to shut down the 2D department....? Sorry if I offended anyone, but this is my dissapointment for Disney.
Anyway I do hope Disney can turn the situation around and make something much much more original.
American production companies have their hands in international animation - you should take a closer look. The "French" film Triplets of Belleville was financed by Disney and represents the genre of adult animation you're talking about. You've got to think about the market for children's animation - they're paying the salaries of thousands of employees around the world from the enthusiasm they generate from children through movies they've made 50 years ago. It's lucrative.
good post but i believe the problem lies within the nature of the audience and the audience expectations. disney and pixar are working in a certain genre and are there for their audience which is not the film festival problem film crowd. this may be seen as negative but I believe it is not. When I go to a pixar disney animated feature I do not want to see a film about the pormblems of iranian girls growing up under the sharia. that is not the audience they are there for just as i don't want to hear an opera album from sheryl crow or see a classical dance recital from clit eastwood. that they have money to produce a different type of animated feature in a diffrent genre is very true an interresting but i believe they should do it under another lable.
I do feel that 'Ratatouille' had a slightly more grown up feel to it for a Disney film, still a long way short of the maturity of 'Persopolis' or many of the Studio Ghibli offerings, but still streets ahead of anything else Disney have released in the last few years.
What about South Park and Family Guy? What about King of the Hill and Futurama?
America IS producing adult-oriented animation -- you just have to know where to look.
I hated "Spirited Away". I prefer older and stranger models of animation such as the works of Ralph Bakshi, Raoul Servais, or Bruce Bickford. These are guys who don't try so hard to be weird. They just ARE...and 2 of them are American. I do, however, agree that American animation needs to be more risky. If I see one more 3-D talking animal movie, I'm gonna vomit.
Well put. Pixar certainly is groundbreaking in stylistic ways and it would be incredible for them to make a serious attempt at an "artistic" film. That being said, I've heard from several Pixar employees that the company mission is to create children's movies and that's what they're committed to.
Great post! Lately I've been looking towards the Russians for some intelligent animation. Anything from Aleksandr Petrov is very much worth watching, and his latest, "My Love (2006)," is excellent.
As soon as Norshteyn gets "The Overcoat" finished, we'll all be in for a treat!
[Also, I have high hopes for "WALL-E." Pixar and sci-fi will go together well, I think]
You were only 8 when Toy Story came out?
God, I feel old now...
My main problem with Pixar is that for a goup that claim to worship Miyazaki's animation, you don't see many well-devolped, strong female characters in their movies. American animation seems to be stuck in this adolescent Boy's Own Adventure schtick.
And this opinion from a 37 year old male!
Overall good post, but I just wanted to add my two cents on a couple of things. First go back and watch Ratatouille again more umm... indepthly? Because of Brad Birds output thus far, The Iron Giant, and The Incredibles we can see that he has a tendancy to pit the great against the norm . There is a great line in the Icredibles "They keep creating new ways to celebrate mediocrity, but if someone is genuinely exceptional..." This one line is what all of Birds work is about and if we apply it to Ratatouille we see what that film is all about. It is truly about the triumph of the artist over the norm. At one point when remy wants to change the recipe he gets yelled at. This is obvious allegory for what happens in real life to the artist if you try to veer away at all from the common then get chastised. Finally at the end though Ego sees the brilliance of Remy's work and accepts it for what it is "truely exceptional" Wow, that was long its just I didnt like you calling Ratatouille a formula animation when on first viewing it might appear tht way, but upon discussion and analysis you can write a book on it. And Finally my second reason for posting. You didnt mention Princess Mononoke, by Miyazaki, but many other of his studio Ghibli projects, and I think if you watch Mononoke the Film will replace Spirited on top of your list.
Princess Mononoke was a plain and flat character with less personality than any direct-to-TV Mowgli spin-off.
People don't support products like Mission Hill. Blaming the companies for producing what people expect to watch doesn't make sense.
Also, going all weeaboo and stuffing every animated sequence with "sex+gore lol" isn't a solution.
As long as there's no real target audience for "adult animation", all we can do is sitting and watching Nick toons and family stuff like Pixar's.
I believe Richard Linklater's films "Waking Life" and "A Scanner Darkly" should count as animation (even though rotoscoped). They are definitely a far cry from talking animals and family fare, yet were mostly ignored by the American public, and are rarely mentioned in discussions of American animation. Perhaps the American culture has such a strong bias towards cartoons, comics and animation being kid stuff, that films like this simply don't register on the collective consciousness.
What a tragic manner in which to sabotage a good discussion by perpetuating stereotypes. Here we have a sweeping indictment of Japansese anime with all the soccer-mom comments we've come to expect from the modern media sitting on top of a lament for grown up animation. Irony indeed.
Creating more animated film that appeals to the minority art-house crowd is not what will make animation more accepted or successful. For all the strides animation has made it is still marginalized in the mainstream, even in the face of much more immature, misogynistic live action productions. Audiences will see terrible fair like Good Luck Chuck simply because it's live action, yet I don't see a sweeping indictment of film for all of that movie's many faults. What animation needs is not more Persepolis, a film which most of the mainstream would just as soon avoid. No, animation needs quality, widespread appeal. The animated equivalent of Bryan Singer's X-Men, a quality piece of escapist entertainment but bound with a subtle social subtext to which a mainstream can relate.
I agree with the commenter above who wrote of audience expectation. That by far is the biggest challenge to wider acceptance of animated features. Audience expecation is even more poignant a point since this article is basically shooting it's own foot, lamenting the lack of adult animated fare yet approaching anime with the same disgraceful media sound bites. Animated features need to seek out markets just like live action. They need to know what will attract audiences to see animation that will overcome existing social aversion.
People will pay to see animation as long as it fulfills expectations. The trick, as with every major movement in art/entertainment, is convincing the audience of a need they never knew they had; a need lying just under the surface and waiting to reach the top.
Great article, and I heartily agree. American animation tends to skew towards the safe and the kid-friendly simply because that's what rakes in the big bucks. Look at how the Disney and Pixar movies have done in the young demographic - and consider that the young demographic usually hauls its parental units out to see the movies with it. Instant multiplication of audience. Add to that the massive toy sales, merchandising, and so on, and you've got a very impressive potential money-making machine there.
Having said that, I think it's getting a little better. Brad Bird has the potential to make the industry a little more adult-toned; I found The Incredibles and Ratatouille to be excellent in that manner. Unfortunately, until we get over the old saw that "animated movies are for kids," I don't think we'll be able to break too far out any time soon.
I don't think American animation only needs to grow up subject wise but also content wise. We need more adult animation that isn't Family Guy or other comedy shows.
Thanks for all the feedback and great discussion everybody!
Couple of things to add:
1. I would say that Dreamworks are the least likable of the current animation companies. I think their formula (silly pop culture references for "the adults" especially) is far less mature than the Pixar one.
2. To the poster who mentioned Princess Mononoke: big fan of this film too, just didn't get around to mentioning it in the article. Still think Spirited Away is my favourite: mainly because it was the first Ghibli I watched.
3. Definitely think Waking Life in particular is a fantastic film, and yeah could certainly be counted as a very grown-up and aware American animation. Very good point - completely slipped my mind when I was writing the article!
4. For those mentioning Ratatouille, I definitely agree: more grown up than anything else produced by Pixar thus far, and a step in the right direction. Still has the Pixar forumla, but does feature a far more vivid subtext than the others (only watched once on cinema release, so really need to watch again soon!). Brad Bird, I think, is the shining hope for American animation: he is the one who has shown that with a little effort, you can make an extremely audience friendly film with more detailed themes and concerns. I still think he has a little bit to go before his masterpiece, but his films are by far the highlight of the Pixar canon.
Again, thanks for all the feedback and its great to see a sensible discussion going on about my post!
Oh, and forgot to mention the 'adult animation' television series that someone referenced too. An interesting one: I think alot of them are quite immature (Family Guy in particular - I don't think shock value or gross out comedy is exactly 'grown up', quite the opposite in fact), but others are far more intelligent and biting (Futurama remains the funniest of the lot with their extremely on-the-ball geekiness).
South Park is the weirdest of all - sometimes really hitting the mark with their social satire, others failing miserably due to their tired efforts to shock.
Animation has forever been something geared specifically to entertain and teach children. Children or parents with children are more likely to see any animated feature that comes out in the theatres, whereas childless adults are not. That's why studios dumb down their animation to appeal to the age group that is too young to be sold on sex or action or deep social commentary which their other films focus on. But animation was not originally even for children. Back in the days of powdered wigs and pettycoats, animation was used for amusing comentary on politics or social trends. It was used to show the bare truth about society in a medium everyone could relate to. Today, in America at least, it just seems to be used for an hour and a half of bright, mindless distraction. Talking animals on a mission who know a lot about Hollywood and pop culture can be funny, but only to an extent. After so many features with the same characters in different stories and guises, I think we've reached our extent. The problem is that animators and writers try way to hard to manufacture the kind of magic and wonder that older disney films and some japanese anime seems to generate with ease. Do you know what I mean? Their stories center around morals and human truths, but it's all so fake and formulaic. You can't create magic on an assembly line. It has to come from talent, imagination, genuine interest in expressing something beautiful and real, and, as you put it, balls. Apparently unless someone like that shows up, American animation is doomed to be just one cutesy bullshit family film after another.
It's rather interesting to think just how grown up talking animals can be when you consider Watership Down and The Plague Dogs.
I agree. Uncle Walt did Fantasia in 1940 - other than "Fantasia 2000" we haven't seen any other attempt to go outside of the formula. It's just too expensive to take a risk with mature-audience animation in the U.S.
"The Incredibles" barely goes outside the kids-audience.
I believe Todd McFarlane and HBO gave you what you what you're asking for in SPAWN: The Animated series of 1997. Such an excellent AWARD winning series. Too bad everyone forgets about it....
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I really enjoyed the post, but I was a little surprised that a couple of great films haven't been mentioned yet.
Nightmare Before Christmas, from one of the great dark directors, Tim Burton, basically changed every perception I had about what an animated film could be. To go from Aladdin and The Little Mermaid (which I still enjoy, just in a different way) to watching a talking rucksack of bugs kidnapping and torturing Santa Claus?! Even at 12 I knew it was something special!
The other titles I am surprised no one has mentioned are the great Nick Park animated films, my favorite being Wallace & Gromit in The Curse of The Were-Rabbit. Although I recognize that it features the typical buddy comedy format, the characters and story are so original that I don't feel right that it hasn't been mentioned in this conversation. Chicken Run was very good as well, but I didn't want to step on any toes mentioning more talking animals, so I apologize. Although I will say that Chicken Run was released well before the current talking animal craze (Gromit doesn't talk, so he doesn't count).
Finally, I know there has been a lot of talk about Japanese animation, with Spirited Away (deservedly) generating the most attention. However, I just wanted to mention a few other films that should be included, Castle In The Sky, Ghost In The Shell, and probably the greatest of them all, Akira.
I am looking forward to Wall-E, and I don't think Finding Nemo got quite the respect it deserved in this discussion, but I enjoyed the post very much, and agree with almost everything mentioned in it.
I strongly agree that this CGI talking animal crap needs to stop, but that doesn't mea that all of americas animation is garbage. like liz said, Family guy and South park are incredibly original. All the good american animation outide of Pixar is on TV
As an American fan of animation (no alliteration intended), the answer to your question is a resounding "YES!" It has been for a LONG TIME!
While I agree in general, I have one nit to pick and that is with regard to the comment about "squirrels" "blabbering away" in "Ice Age".
Watch "Ice Age" again and try to find the squirrels blabbering away. I think you will find that the "squirrel" is one of the few characters that does _not_ "blabber away". Mammoths, on the other hand . . .
I can't believe you forgot Akira!
The first and foremost of the Animation films to come to America, it played week after week in Georgetown. After every showing we all leaped to our feet and went nuts screaming, running to the the mid-night coffee shops or Denny's for pie to talk about how American film companies just don't have it in them to make a film like that. And here it is almost 25 years later and they still don't. Year after year Japan makes a stunning animation film and throws it at us and what do we do? We make Toy Story 2!
Please somebody, we can do better! Its the mind set just like Snow White was years ago animation is for kiddies, and any time somebody tries to make something above that it goes straight to video/DVD, look at The Ultimate Avengers (wasn't bad), Superman/Doomsday (sucked), and Justice League: The New Frontier (which wasn't bad) all missed the mark, could have been something but in the end all sucked if you compare them against anything from Japan.
So, in answer to your question, YES it time not only for American animation to grow up but American animators, and American movie goers too. It can be done, it's done time and again and throw in our face! We run for the drawing boards and come up with Over the Hedge! and they look up from their rice bowls and say Ha Ha you very funny!
Much to my surprise I was hoping to see someone tear a new one in concerns to the slew of very dumb and IQ deficiant animation shows running amuck on televison; Family Guy, American Dad, most of the Adult Swim line up. I get a headache thinking about how many stupid idiots there are out there that spend money to collect season DVD's and toys of this garbage. Poop and pee pee was funny when I was a five year old but I mean come on. Don't even get me started on the blatant mysogonistic messages most or all of these shows have in them. I'd say their creators were idiots but with so many morons out there making them filthy rich why would they even think about the consequences.
i dont think the type of annimation (hand drawn, cgi) has anyhting to do with Disney's downfall. disney for some reason just lost the inspiration to make great movies. they were burned out of ideas. there last few solo films (Brother Bear, Home on the Range) dont compare at all to the movies of the 90s or before. pixar did revive them but the movies dont have to be cgi to be great.
the movies today just seem to be more kid oriented instead of a great movie. pixar are geniouses but mostly older people wont go to see the movies if they dont have kids. they just need to produce stronger stories.
and other than disney/pixar, animation is pathetic.
Just ask Chris Sanders (creator of Stitch) about American Dog...
Whenever a director tries to do something ballsy in Hollywood, they get ask to make it more family friendly.
Absurdist ideals, philosophy, and wildly inventive visual imagery take a backseat to "successful formula" in H-Wood.
Well I liked your article you did fail to mention that Disney used to release some dark stuff. Before anyone argues I will point out the Great Mouse Detective. Yes yes I know more talking animals, but one of those animals is voiced by Vincent Price. That in itself is dark for a Disney movie. Bambi wasn't the cheeriest of Disney movies either. My mom wouldn't let me watch it when I was little because of the scene where he goes back and sees his mom dead. Then Lion King (one of my favorite movies of all time) had it's dark overtones because it was loosely based off Hamlet. There was even talk at one point to have Scar like rape Nala. Disney isn't all happy and shiny you just have to look a bit closer to find the darkness in them.
I'm also slightly surprised there was no mention of stop motion. Though it is not that frequent to see them now they do tend to be a bit darker. I adore Tim Burton's work in the field from Vincent to Corpse Bride. I give props to Henry Selick for directing Nightmare Before Christmas. I am also looking forward to Frankenweenie that is coming out next year.
People don't think Japan produces talking animals cartoons for children.
Know what? They do.
North Korea does too, but that's a whole different story...
Wow, one of the most intelligent discussion boards I have read in a long time, cheers to everyone for providing thoughtful and mature insight in a world populated by profanity and name calling.
I agree with almost everything said, Pixar has an opportunity to create an absolute masterpiece should they stray from the well-worn formula. Imagine a Pixar movie with a Naussica flavor, adult animation with appropriate story, action and drama without wanton sex and "ultra" violence.
I lean towards watching animation like Akira, Ghost in the Shell and the admittedly ultra violent Fist of the Northstar. That being said, I think the Incredibles is the best Pixar movie to date and there does lie some hope in American animation, a particularly enjoyable show called the "Venture Brothers" regularly has me laughing.
Finally, I always wanted to see the movie "Dune" done in animation by a top tier studio who had the resources and the guts to hire someone to reamin truthful to the property. Here's hoping that the children of the computer age grow up and keep making animated movies for adults. My kids love Toy Story but give me "The Amazing Screw on head" every time.
Interesting post. For recent American animated fare sans talking animals, check out "Meet the Robinsons." It's from Disney, flawed but sweet.
very good post, and one that has been burning in my mind for ages now. being a lover of true anime (miyazaki, kon, oshii et al) i always have a feeling of disgust and irritation when i see the new trailer for the next animated movie with the talking inanimate objects/animals with celebrity voices.
i yearn for a brave animator to really push the envelope for american animated movie-making, the same way that someone like Satoshi Kon (my personal deity of worship) can make such adult animation. what does america have in the same vein: fritz the freakin cat???
its amazing to me, as american animated TV is so brilliant (family guy, simpsons, ren and stimpy, south park and many many others): why cannot this daring animation be brought to the feature length variety??? it boggles the mind.
i can understand why disney/pizar and the rest do the same formulaic thing every 3 months: they are all very popular and if it aint broke, dont you dare F%^& with it. until the grosses for these start to take a sharp downwards trajectory, we wont see the situation change. sad but true.
now excuse me, im going to watch Jin Roh The Wolf Brigade. i feel dirty just thinking about those kinds of films :P
Wow, how come I've never heard of this blog? Rest assured, you're on my bookmarks.
As for this entry, I loved it. I used to write for Twitch and also wrote an article (not as good as yours, IMO) about the same thing.
I was pretty much crucified by people calling me pretentious for wanting more in my animation than dancing penguins singing to old pop songs.
Here in the states, people love that sugary, vapid crap. I insist animation should be for adults, too. But anything that appeals to the adult mainstream is not very welcome.
And I'm so glad you cited Studio Gibhli. Wonderful studio churning out masterpieces by the dozens. At the end of the day if I had to pick Pixar or Gibhli, I'd choose the latter.
And yes, "The Iron Giant" is a masterpiece with classic themes of friendship, death, and human violence.
Well done!
People like to rip on Disney a lot but they are responsiable for what in my opinion is the greatest animated film ever made, Basil the Great Mouse Detective.
I love Ghibli and have been watching their films since I was a child, but if I had to pick jsut one animted film to watch it would be Basil.
I think you're underselling Pixar to be honest, their films have more depth and maturity than the vast majority of Japanese animations. Many of which are just juvenile stories with adult material.
Mind you, I'm one of the few people it seems who doesn't swoon over Gibli films, I don't like the way they meander all over the place meaninglessly.
A shout out for The Iron Giant though, a real forgotten gem that one.
Hey Felix, I'm glad you like the blog. As for why you've not heard of it before, well, we're relatively new. I've been reading Twitch for a long time myself, one of my favourite movie related sites.
Monster House, while ostensibly aimed at children had a very nuanced (and dark) storyline, it's a shame it was overlooked by most.
Also, Spirited Away is the most over-rated anime of all time. A number of other Ghibli/Miyazaki films are at least on par with it, and a number of other anime films and series surpass it easily. The 3D CG was so crappy in Spirited Away it reminded me of playing Wolfenstein. Seriously, it wasn't even close to the quality of CG seen in many anime series at the time.
The reason everyone hears so much about Miyazaki is that his films are pimped by Disney who has the distribution rights in America. Check out Tree of Palme, Tekkonkinkreet or just about anything by Satoshi Kon, these are all waaaaay more grown up than Miyazaki's work.
Let's not forget the Quay Brothers either, true they do stop-motion and this discussion seems to be focusing on cel animation, but their work is amazing.
good stuff peoples.also nice to see a dicussion board that isn't jammed with spam...
just a few little things though... Persepolis is based on two graphic novels of the same name, by Marjane Satrapi. The animation in the film is just the the illustration in the graphic novels (check 'em out, they're awesome!), so i spose you could argue that it's not necessarily indicative of any major creativity on the side of the studio, other than the wonderous move of actually getting the original creator in to direct (imagine how much better most adaptations coulda been if they'd done this more often!). that being said, i am wholly and utterly sick of all this CGI stuff, personally i'm much more into old school cell animation.i like old disney and warner brothers cartoons.they just have such a charm about them, i dunno, they just seem all the more real for not trying to look real, y'know?they've just got so much more of a human quality to them that a lot of CGI lacks (for me at least). The Incredibles was great, BUT, to echo what's already been said, it didn't have cutesy-wutesy fluffy animals and had a genuinely funny script. and all the claymation stuff, burton, park, etc is wonderful.but maybe it's due to being more involved in the act of drawing or sculpting than clicking on a screen?i duno, that's not my line.
but yeah, nice thread.
Someone should aniamte THIS as a go between.
It looks like a normal 'talking animal' comic, but it deals with a lot of 'grown up' themes.
The artist is also a Manga artist from the comic book comapny TokyoPop.
I get sick of people pointing to South Park and Family Guy and saying "See!? There's adult animation!"
Series like that are a step in the wrong direction, passing off juvenilia as "adult." What happened to American culture to make everyone interpret "adult" as "stuff that's offensive to your grandma" (or, alternatively, "stuff that's funny to drunk high school students")?
In a perfect world, of course, "adult" would mean that a work has heady themes designed to stimulate thought. By this sort of definition, Pixar's stuff is much closer to "adult" animation than Family Guy.
the problem is that these mega companies, Pixar, Disney, Dreamworks, etc are all closed to any talent that might be wandering around in the writing world, developing everything from within kind of shallows the gene pool a bit. ie, nothing new, same old lame old, story line with different characters. before attaching A list talent a good animation caost about 20 million, and a few jewels like Finding Nemo rake in almost a billion gross. From a writers pov, they need to open their doors just a crack.
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